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| Subject: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:46 pm | |
| German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional ModelsGerman women's magazine Brigitte has declared it will no longer use professional models in its fashion shoots. But reaction to the first all-amateur issue has been mixed, with observers criticizing the magazine for not going far enough to fight anorexia.
At first glance the new issue of Germany's Brigitte looks just like a normal fashion magazine. Attractive, perfectly made-up young women show off stylish clothes from labels like French Connection, Escada and H&M, glancing flirtatiously over their shoulders, pouting their lips or staring pensively into the distance.
But something about the photos looks different. A prominent tummy here and noticeable wrinkles there reveal that these are not size-zero Amazons straight from the catwalk, but real women. As of the January issue, which hit the newsstands Saturday, Brigitte will use only amateur models in its fashion shoots.
"Women have changed. They no longer want to see interchangeable, faceless models on the pages of their magazines," Brigitte's editor-in-chief Brigitte Huber told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "They want to see real women. We want to respond to that by showing real women, women who have a profession and who are prepared to give their ages."
Many Faces
Indeed, the amateur models in the January issue reflect the diversity that Huber says the magazine is trying to show. They range in ages from 20 to 45 and work as artists, receptionists, teachers and restaurateurs. "Beauty has many faces," says Huber.
The initiative, which made headlines around the world when it was announced in October 2009, is partly a reaction to concerns that overly thin models promote anorexia among women. "Brigitte has always had the interests of real women at heart," Huber says. "Our magazine encourages them to be self-confident and promotes a healthy self-image." Brigitte is one of Germany's top-selling women's magazines and belongs to the Gruner+Jahr media group, which is also part-owner of SPIEGEL.
The magazine's staff has been "overwhelmed" by the reaction from readers, Huber says. More than 20,000 women have so far applied online to be potential models, submitting photographs of themselves with a short profile. Visitors to Brigitte's Web site (German only) can vote for who they want to see in future issues of the magazine.
Huber says the reaction from the fashion industry has been generally very positive. "Even people from modeling agencies have congratulated us, saying they think the idea is great even if it's bad for their own business." There have been a few voices who say that the magazine will never succeed in putting together an issue month after month without using professional models, Huber admits. "But we will do it."
'Not Ugly or Fat'
However the German press reaction to the first Brigitte without professional models has so far been largely skeptical. Many observers expressed disappointment that the women on view in the January issue generally correspond to conventional ideas of beauty. "They may be women from real life, but they are not ugly or fat," writes the fashion critic for the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung. "Some of them would certainly have been able to become models, but chose other careers instead."
Observers also point out that claims to be fighting anorexia are undermined by the fact that the January issue also features the latest version of the "Brigitte Diet." The message, according to Die Tageszeitung, is: "You look really great just as you are -- but you'd look even better if you only lost a few kilos."
Some observers write that the initiative is effectively a PR campaign aimed at boosting the magazine's flagging sales. The magazine's circulation in the third quarter of 2009 was around 691,000, down almost 8 percent from the same period of the previous year. "It's a way for Brigitte to stand out at the newsstand," writes Berlin's Tagesspiegel, while Die Welt describes it as a "rescue campaign for its own brand." Critics also point out that the campaign will not change the fashion industry, despite Brigitte's claim to be launching a "revolution" -- after all, the publication is regarded as a "women's" magazine rather than a fashion magazine along the lines of Vogue.
Not Going the Whole Way
There has even been criticism of the initiative from one of the women featured in the new photo shoots. Pheline Roggan is one of six young German actors appearing in a fashion shoot in the new issue. Until a couple of years ago, however, she was a professional model and appeared on the cover of the Italian Vogue, among other publications.
"If Brigitte is going to not use professional models and move away from the usual image of women that you see in fashion magazines, then they should be courageous and go the whole way," she told SPIEGEL ONLINE. "They should use real women that reflect their readers."
Roggan is skeptical about why she was asked to participate. "I only had a small part in the film but they really wanted me to take part in the photo shoot. They probably wanted someone who could fit into the clothes."
Huber said she was unaware of Roggan's past as a professional model but said it was of no significance. "She is in there because she is an actor -- it makes no difference what she did in the past," she said. "Actors fit in well in the diverse mix and broad spectrum of women that we want to have in the magazine. There is no contradiction there."
Roggan is basically supportive of the initiative, however. "As a former professional model and as a regular woman I generally like the approach Brigitte is aiming at by not using models any more," she says. "There is a need for a magazine that shows another view of women than the typical 'Photoshopped' model. They just have to be brave enough to really pull it off." Pictures | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:37 pm | |
| I think that is awesome they are using different women, however it is sad that you there are mostly no professional models that are average sized | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:05 pm | |
| The photos are beautiful! And the concept is a step in the right direction.
I read an article in Glamour a few months back about why there appear to have been so few average-sized high-fashion models. (bah, sorry, can't find the article now)
From the sounds of it, it's because the major fashion houses produce samples in tiny sizes -- my guess is that they do this to skimp on fabric. If they're going to give something away, even for the sake of advertising in a magazine, fashion houses probably don't want to "waste" a lot of fabric on the freebie.
Which is cheap, stupid, and counterproductive -- how can average-sized women envision themselves in the clothes (and thus want to buy them) if they're only shown on really skinny women? | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:27 pm | |
| A model isn't just a slim/pretty/busty person a model has learnt to pose, create expression take directions etc etc. And because they arn't choosing professional models does not mean they arn't choosing slim/pretty/busty people. It just means they are getting cheep/free work! And doing models out of a job. There is nout wrong with using a variety of models but stopping the use of proffesional models isn't the answer. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:17 pm | |
| ^^^ ya i agree
i think the industry needs more average sized professional models too. then they will have a professional pool of all types to choose from. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:41 pm | |
| Synth and SPF: you know, you're right. First impulse upon reading the article: yay, about time! But, employing models is definitely not the problem -- employing models that all have the same body type is the problem.
Bigger models, shorter models, models with disabilities -- all exist, but few are seen in the mainstream. There's the problem. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:31 am | |
| @red re skinny women V 'average' women
Well, media likes to tell women that skinny is desireable. This creates a market for dieting products etc etc AND women with low self esteem, this makes them more pliable, easier to sell to and write for. THUS they use slim models wearing smaller clothing to give the idea that women should look like this and clothing will look good on them. Also, if you look in most mags which are the most guilty of using slimmer models (high fashion) they are hardly trying to sell the products- very few women can aford these items. The shoots in Vogue etc are (dans mon avis) fashion based art shoots. They are food gaining publicity for the designers and the magazine. Most who I know who purchase Vogue etc don't do it to find out where one can get these clothes from but to find out what is on the catwalks and keep informed of designer's current work. High Fashion is less about sales and more about art forms. The money comes from one of purchases and HUGE sales profits of logo t-shirts, perfumes and the such. Its like wearing a band t shirt in some respects- its not about the design (mostly) its about the name.
High Fashion Theory Lecture OVER!
I hope that made some vague sense
P. S I feel that this mag is just using this as a way to create sales. By and large the models don't look much different but to jump on the band wagon and get publicity works. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:53 am | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:43 pm | |
| I am kind of in a self debate about fashion
I am a huge fan of haute couture and other high fashion designers that dont make specifically haute couture collections. As artists they have a right to display their work on what ever type of body they want. Yet I wonder if the top designers really think that their work looks better on thinner models? | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:27 pm | |
| RedAngel, yes- It was your comment which spurred it ! xxx | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:28 pm | |
| - Synth wrote:
- @red re skinny women V 'average' women
Well, media likes to tell women that skinny is desireable. This creates a market for dieting products etc etc AND women with low self esteem, this makes them more pliable, easier to sell to and write for. THUS they use slim models wearing smaller clothing to give the idea that women should look like this and clothing will look good on them. Also, if you look in most mags which are the most guilty of using slimmer models (high fashion) they are hardly trying to sell the products- very few women can aford these items. The shoots in Vogue etc are (dans mon avis) fashion based art shoots. They are food gaining publicity for the designers and the magazine. Most who I know who purchase Vogue etc don't do it to find out where one can get these clothes from but to find out what is on the catwalks and keep informed of designer's current work. High Fashion is less about sales and more about art forms. The money comes from one of purchases and HUGE sales profits of logo t-shirts, perfumes and the such. Its like wearing a band t shirt in some respects- its not about the design (mostly) its about the name.
High Fashion Theory Lecture OVER!
I hope that made some vague sense
P. S I feel that this mag is just using this as a way to create sales. By and large the models don't look much different but to jump on the band wagon and get publicity works. With all due respect Synth, although my modeling days are now behind me, I do recall the myriad ways with which my work, and that of high-fashion models, was perceived. Those multiple perceptions are proof positive that modeling is an art form akin to performance art. Your points are definitely valid and true regarding the esteem-damaging effects on some women (who then feel compelled to buy things to make themselves conform to a beauty standard). But the point I was trying to make, and I guess didn't make clearly enough, was the "attract more bees with honey" theory -- I believe the clothes would sell better, and the companies would see more repeat business, if designers made their clothes appear more accessible for the "average" woman by putting the clothes on women with different body types. If you want a loyal clientele, make clients feel absolutely *wonderful* about their purchases. It makes good business sense. I'd also like to reiterate that employing models is not a bad thing at all. Got nothing against that! I just think it's time for increased variety. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:41 pm | |
| And they want models to be skinnier than this. I know they photoshoped the bones out. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:16 pm | |
| Or myabe they make clothes less accessible to women (by using skinny very thin models) so it does sell more bc its exclusive. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:14 am | |
| I think I'm just going to wear a burlap sack from now on. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:40 pm | |
| - ravengrim wrote:
- La Diva Carlotta wrote:
- I think I'm just going to wear a burlap sack from now on.
God Why? You're a georgous creature,I know I've seen your pictures you post here and on Facebook. I agree with Raven! Diva, you know there's much more to being beautiful than being skinny. You are beautiful and stylish as you are, and you possess the beautiful qualities of intelligence and empathy. Why mess with a good thing? Same with Ginger: yeah the model you cited is thin, but she's also a blank canvas for the photographers and designers. You've got control over your own style, not to mention sharp wit as well. So many different ways of being beautiful, and skinny isn't much without the others. | |
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| Subject: Re: German Women's Magazine Ditches Professional Models Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:17 pm | |
| Aww shucks, Ravengrim and Red. Thanks you guys. I guess I was pissed about my recent negative clothing shopping experiences. | |
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